Part One: The Holy Grail of Healing - Chiron in Aries

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Speaker 1: Hello, hello, it's Nadine here, and I'm here with

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this week's episode of Life, health and the Universe, and

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this is the first episode where I am joined by my co-host,

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laverne Proctor, and we are branching off and we're calling

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these episodes Guide to Universal Living.

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So if you happened to listen to an episode towards the end of

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December, just before Christmas, you would have heard that

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Laverne and I have decided to do a collaboration.

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So if you haven't, you can go back and check that out, or you

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can just get started right here right now.

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So this is Guide to Universal Living.

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Laverne and I are going to be hosting these sessions once a

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month together.

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We'll be able to see them on the platform as purple images

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rather than the blue images that we have for the other episodes.

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And yeah, we're here for session one.

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So hello, laverne, it's good to see you.

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Hello, nadine, I hope you're Before we get stuck in, we'll

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have a little bit of a catch up.

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Speaker 2: Sounds good, sounds good.

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I hope you had a good Christmas .

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Yeah, not too bad.

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Speaker 1: I think it's Well.

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You know we all go through, it seems, similar experiences where

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you know we are oftentimes forced together with people that

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might trigger us like that, and so I've spent a fair bit of the

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last week, you know a little while over the festive season,

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just kind of trying to figure out what it is in me that's

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being triggered and why, and not just pointing the finger.

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But it's hard.

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How about you?

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What's been going on, nadine?

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Speaker 2: I love you so much.

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We haven't talked about what I'm going to be covering in any

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detail and already you have tuned in to what today's session

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is going to be about.

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Oh, okay, cool Triggers Love it , and at the top level.

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If we to give it a topic title, it's about working through our

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Chiron, okay, and what triggers us.

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So you know what a beautiful place for you to start.

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Yes, we all get triggered and Christmas is the perfect time

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for us to all work through whatever we need to work through

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, to dig deep and find another level of unconditional love and

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compassion, first and foremost for ourselves, but also for

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family members, people in the community.

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So thank you, nadine, for that wonderful nugget of what we're

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going to be covering.

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So look, first and foremost, welcome to 2024.

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And when I was thinking about what topic we'd cover for our

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first proper podcast, I looked at well, what's 24?

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What's the focus in 2024 for all of us?

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And it's all about the mind, clearing old mindsets, releasing

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old pain, working more with our higher self for the birthing of

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new levels of consciousness.

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And I thought what better place to start in but to talk about

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Chiron.

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So today I'm going to be covering off.

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Well, what is Chiron?

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Because a lot of people don't know what it is, but a lot of

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people do know what Chiron is.

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Why is it important right now?

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How can we work with our Chiron ?

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So those are three key areas that I'm going to be covering.

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But to start with, I thought, well, got to give a bit of

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background to Chiron, because there'll be a whole group of

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people that don't necessarily know about it and the fact that

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they're listening to this now is like right, pay attention,

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because 2024, this will be a good aspect of self to be

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working with.

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But also, I'm going to provide and work through one example,

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one Chiron, so that people can get more of an imprint.

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Well, what does this really mean?

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You're talking about all these things.

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What does that mean?

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And we agreed and decided that we're going to separately stop

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the recording and create and finish with a beautiful

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meditation that will really link into the Chiron and that people

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can listen to or really listen to at their leisure.

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So today's podcast will finish with a meditation.

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It will be separate and that will just complete this whole

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process.

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So does that sound good to you?

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Speaker 1: Sounds great.

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I'm not going to keep stoned because I've already got

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questions.

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So just for the listeners, if you didn't hear our sort of

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little spoiler that we did before Christmas, we I don't

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know what Laverne is going to talk about.

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She hasn't kind of given me the outline.

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That's the first bit I've heard .

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She did tell me it was going to be about Chiron and that was it

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So, yeah, I'm just going to be here hanging around, listening

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and taking notes as much as I can, and then looking at my

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notes and hoping that I can make sense of them afterwards and

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then we'll get stuck into, like me, asking all the questions

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because I'm a nosy parka.

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Before we do start, I'm going to have one little thing.

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I feel like Chiron is significant for you, laverne,

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specifically because your business name is Chiron Spectra,

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so there's some significance there.

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I wonder whether you chose the name due to like some

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experiences around Chiron.

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Do you want to share that now or wait?

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Speaker 2: Nadine, you're brilliant.

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It's really funny.

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You said that because I was wondering if you'd pick up on

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that.

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Yes, my business name.

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I operate under the name of Chiron Spectrum, which I came up

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with that name in 2006, did nothing with it for many years,

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didn't really operate under a business as such at all, and

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when it came up I'm going to be calling my name Chiron Spectrum,

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I thought, oh God, can't I be a bit more creative than that?

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You know, because there is, because my primary modality that

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I work with is Transference Healing.

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There is a Chiron procedure that we work with.

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It's an aetheric procedure.

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We tune into the Chiron point within the body, energetic body

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and we work with the Chiron.

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I thought it was uncool, uncreative at the time, and as

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time's gone on and as I smile at myself more and more, I think,

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okay, I understand that this is an important thing for me and

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I'll leave it at that for now.

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And, yes, so it's still uncool, but now I can see why I call my

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business Chiron Spectra.

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So, look, let's first look at what is the Chiron and I'm going

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to be referenced in Transference Healing Bid.

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It's the energy system I work with, so I'm naturally going to

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be drawn to reference that.

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Okay, from a Transference Healing perspective, there are

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people that work with the Chiron around the world.

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There's astrologers are tapping into it and working with it a

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lot, so this isn't unique to Transference Healing.

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So I just want to put that up front.

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But from a Transference Healing perspective, we call the Chiron

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the Holy Grail of Healing.

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But what is that exactly?

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So from our perspective, your Chiron represents a core

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wounding that you've come in with to work with in this

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lifetime.

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So it has two facets it represents your greatest

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strength, your gift to the world , but it also represents your

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greatest weakness, your Achilles heel.

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So understanding both extremes of your Chiron, the positive and

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the negative, and finding the balance within that, how do you

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operate within your Chiron wounding in this lifetime is how

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you can support not only a healing process that it creates

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when you do work through it, but also the acceleration of your

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personal and spiritual growth.

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So it's like a cornerstone really of healing energetically.

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So it doesn't really matter what your level of spiritual

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understanding is or advancement.

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Chiron is impacting everyone and depending on how much you've

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worked through your Chiron, consciously or unconsciously,

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through your life right now, wherever you are in your life,

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you know, will depend on how big an impact that might be having

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on you right now.

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So, if you've done a lot of work on yourself and you've

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you're actually familiar with Chiron or not familiar with

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Chiron, you might find that it's not so intense for you than it

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might be for someone else.

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Okay, because and basically the universe, more so than ever

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before, and definitely through 2024, 25, 26, you know, this

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decade in particular the universe is going to be pushing

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us all and, whether we're conscious of this fact or not,

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we're being pushed to grow, we're being pushed to evolve and

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we're pushed, we'll be pushed, to ascend Now there will be

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future episodes that I'll talk more of to those elements, but,

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in a nutshell, we could look at Chiron from three aspects from a

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cosmology perspective, we can look at Chiron from an astrology

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perspective and we can look at Chiron from a mythology

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perspective.

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So, from a cosmology perspective at the top level,

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because I want to try and keep this as net as possible for

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everyone and as simple as possible.

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Chiron was discovered in 1997.

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And is actually classified as a minor planet or a planetoid

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that travels between Saturn and Uranus in a 51 year orbit.

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So Chiron, from a cosmology perspective, symbolizes a bridge

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between the physical, represented by Saturn, which

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works through all things related to our physical plane, and a

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bridge between that physical and the spiritual plane,

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represented by Uranus, which works more through the mental

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plane and heightening our consciousness, creating

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liberation and embodiment of enlightenment, and trying to

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unify the physical and the spiritual aspects of self, but

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importantly, identifying that it can trigger, when we work with

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our Chiron, it can trigger our perception, a shift in our

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perception on health and healing .

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So cosmology, from a cosmology perspective, 1997 was really the

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time when it was triggered.

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Astrologers were starting to see it in natal charts.

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So if we look at it from a astrology perspective, most

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people are familiar with astrology now A lot of people

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have had their astrology charts mapped.

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So most would have heard of Chiron if they're into astrology

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and its placement, and that it's worked out as part of your

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natal astrology chart and the Chiron placement in your chart

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is calculated by the date of your birth.

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So your sun sign is calculated by the date of the birth, but so

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is your Chiron.

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So it's quite easy to work out what your Chiron is through the

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date of the birth and what it reveals is well, what's the core

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wounding that you've chosen to work with in this lifetime and

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basically try and support your personal evolution process

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through working through that wounding.

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So, depending on where your Chiron placement is will depend

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on what your core wounding will be and what you'll compel to

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delve into.

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Literally, we're all going to be compelled more and more to

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work through and shift patterning that doesn't serve us

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, so patterns of behavior in support of our self-healing and

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ascension process.

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So the Chiron planetoid so essentially it transits through

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the solar system, triggering energetic changes within the

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earth, human consciousness and each of us individually.

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So we can learn a lot about ourselves through astrology and

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we can definitely learn a lot about the way we respond to life

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by understanding what our core wounding is and what we've

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chosen to work through in this lifetime.

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So, in essence, our Chiron wounding creates natural

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triggers in how we respond to circumstances in our life.

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So it supports us to learn to know ourselves.

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And if we can work out what our Chiron wounding is, our

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prevalent core wounding and understanding what triggers us

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is the first step in working through our Chiron.

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So understanding what the Chiron is and then observing

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that is a really good first step for all of us.

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So, lastly, chiron also represents from a mythology

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perspective, specifically Greek mythology, the Centaur.

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So the Centaur is half man, half horse and he was the

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offspring of Saturn, god of agriculture, and the Nymph,

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philara, who was born a Centaur through Saturn and Philara, but

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he was rejected by his mother and he was abandoned by his

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father, but he was taken under the wing of Apollo, the God of

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light.

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So from a mythology perspective , essentially Chiron was an

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immortal being and developed a core wound after being pissed in

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the leg while living in the physical realm.

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And to heal his wound he set up on a journey to heal himself

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and, through travelling many dimensions looking for a cure

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for his wounding in his leg, he accumulated deep, deep knowledge

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and wisdom from interdimensional forms of

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different types of healing and became known as the Master

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Healer.

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So that's the background to Chiron.

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So, from a mythology perspective, the energy of

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Chiron basically compels us to recognise and identify our own

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internal core wounding, our own internal weaknesses and, as we

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identify with our core wounding, what that creates.

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So when we can heal through the energetic support of Chiron, we

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can overcome our core wounding, overcome weaknesses, work

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through limitations, ultimately return to our universal body of

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light, wholeness, truth and love .

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So that's the background to Chiron from three different

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aspects, and some of you listeners may be familiar with

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one aspect over another aspect, or this may all be new

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information.

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But you could ask yourself, well , why is this important now?

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Well, it did appear in astrologers charts in 1997 and

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it's been building and building and building, and the intensity

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of that you hear, from an astrology perspective, about

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Mercury, mercury and Reticrade, or the Moon and Venus, you know,

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and what those things represent .

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Well, chiron is at the forefront for all of us right

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now.

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And because we are at a point of evolutionary process where we

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, universally, are being pushed to evolve, whether we like it or

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not, consciously aware of this or unconsciously, the earth is

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shifting into a higher frequency , a higher vibration, and we, as

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humanity, also need to shift into that higher frequency and

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to do this we need a clear, old, wounding, old patterning,

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limitations that don't serve us, and so that we can, as the

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earth evolves into a higher vibration, we evolve into that

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higher vibration too.

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So this is all about ascensions , about our evolutionary process

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You can look back in time how man has evolved.

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Well, this is taking our evolution to a whole other level

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and a way of being Okay.

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So Chiron is paying an important part right now, and

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that's why it's an important subject to be covering Now the

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way we do this.

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Well, we need to work through our core, wounding our

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weaknesses and restrictions.

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Our Chiron is basically, essentially, a pattern of

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behaviour made up from emotional pain that we haven't been able

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to work through in previous lives and it's built up.

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And it's built up and there will be a specific pattern of

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behaviour or wounding that we said look, we haven't been able

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to work through this in previous lives and it's building and

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building and building, and I'm going to bring it through and

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choose to work through it in this lifetime.

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So, wherever you land is something that you can reflect

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on, say, okay, it's something I haven't been able to nail, I

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haven't been able to work through it, so I've chosen to

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bring it back through in this lifetime, and now I'm at a

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pinnacle, turning point in our evolutionary process.

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So I'm here working with it again on a whole other level.

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So Chiron's appearance in your chart is a catalyst for profound

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healing.

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When I talk about healing, I'm talking about letting go of old

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wounding, old pain, not only from this lifetime but from many

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, many, many lives, and when we clear old pain, we allow

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personal and spiritual awakening and the whole empowerment

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process to birth.

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So Chiron, basically, is a catalyst for our growth, so it's

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quite profound.

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So we can ask ourselves well, how do we work with it?

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First and foremost, when you know what your Chiron is, you

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can work with it, can't you?

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It's a bit like anything.

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When you know you've got a pattern of behavior and you're

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conscious of it, you can say, hmm, that pattern of behavior is

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not serving me.

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I can see what it creates when I play that pattern of behavior

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out.

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So knowing what your Chiron is is useful, because then you can

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consciously work with it.

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So, hmm, because we're all not the same Chiron and anyone

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listening to this podcast what I've chosen to do to demonstrate

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my point and everything we've just talked about at the top

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level, I've chosen to demonstrate by working or

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talking about Chiron in areas and the reason why I've chosen

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Chiron in areas though some of your listeners will be Chiron in

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areas, so this will be really useful for them.

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But I've chosen Chiron in areas because Chiron in areas is

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transiting the earth as we speak and it's transiting the earth

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until June 2026.

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So not only does this mean any baby being born right now will

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be their Chiron will be Aries, but also there will be a whole

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bunch of us that will.

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That Chiron in areas would have been transiting at different

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points in time and you may have been born under that transit at

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that time, at some point in the last 50, 100 years, whatever.

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So this is also not only relevant for babies being born

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right now for Chiron areas where it was transiting the planet at

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the time of your birth, but it's also relevant for the rest

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of humanity, because you don't have to be Chiron in areas to

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relate to some of the wounding that I'm going to talk to,

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because we all will experience wounding of each of the Chiron's

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But all it's saying really is well, if your Chiron lands in

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the Aries, it would be magnified on a whole nother level.

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The intensity of that wounding would be far greater for someone

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whose Chiron sits in that transit versus someone who's got

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a different Chiron.

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Okay, but it is relevant to everyone because it is

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transiting the Earth until 2026.

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So we will see this Chiron in Aries playing out globally and

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we'll talk to that more in a moment.

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So, in essence, if we choose Aries as the example, so the

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core wounding for Chiron in Aries would be around self-worth

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, it'll be around rejection and it's around self-identity.

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That's it in a natural or top level.

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But the gift for Chiron in Aries when they work through the

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lower attributes is empowerment , and Chiron in Aries are

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catalysts for others in a positive way.

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So if your Chiron is in Aries, you may find that you are a

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catalyst for other people and when you're playing that Chiron

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in an empowered way, it's a very positive thing.

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I'm going to mention the Ascended Master.

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That's aligned to two Chiron Aries and each Chiron has their

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own Ascend Master is Archangel Michael and the relevancy of

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that is we're going to be pulling that in as part of the

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meditation.

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But Chiron in Aries in essence represents understanding the

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dynamics of how we run our energy, how we respond to things

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and how we use our power and what that creates so magnified.

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For if it is your Chiron but it's you know the wounding is

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relevant to all of us.

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We all relate to it and so if your Chiron in Aries, the

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wounding is really about can be about creating issues for you

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around dynamics with other people.

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Right, it seems to be more natural that you know Chiron in

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Aries there will be dynamics that play out around you because

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of your energy and the way you hold your sense of self.

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But often the Chiron in Aries can struggle with feelings of

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being unloved.

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So when you're at a point you're still working through the

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lower attributes of Chiron in Aries.

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It's really about working through the struggle of feelings

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of being unloved or misunderstood, not just as a

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child but as an adult.

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It can play out with low self-worth it can build, you

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know, play out as defense mechanisms that play out.

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So for Chiron in Aries, they need to feel validated,

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especially when they're in their wounding.

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They need to feel validated in the world.

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They need to feel understood.

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So some Chiron in Aries can be very forthright and

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self-righteous.

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But to be honest, you know I'm not picking on Chiron in Aries

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because you can think about it well, I can have my moments of

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being forthright and self-righteous, but I'm not a

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Chiron in Aries, so it might be more pronounced if you're Chiron

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in Aries.

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But we all feel that on some level and this may play out

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where you know Chiron in Aries might exert their power.

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They have this exertion of power and energy and that can

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impact others.

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But conversely, there are Chiron in Aries and I've met

00:27:50
both types that can be really sensitive and have a tendency

00:27:57
towards, you know, self-worth and self-judgment, and they're

00:28:01
far more quieter, and you know they don't have that confidence.

00:28:05
They can be easily depleted and be quite hypersensitive to

00:28:12
other people.

00:28:13
So the strength, the flip side of that, though, is their

00:28:18
empowerment, and so Chiron in Aries becomes very powerful.

00:28:22
When they're really holding their sense of self and really

00:28:29
holding it in a pure way, they can become very powerful

00:28:34
energetically and personally, and they can really hold a sense

00:28:38
of self in the world, and they become very positive catalysts

00:28:43
for others.

00:28:43
So, generally, let us pull it back to a general level.

00:28:50
Question for all of us is about observing how do I respond in

00:28:57
situations that challenge me, what defence mechanisms comes

00:29:05
into play when I'm being triggered, what triggers me when

00:29:11
I'm feeling at my most vulnerable, or someone around me

00:29:16
is just generally triggering me , and how do I respond in that

00:29:21
moment?

00:29:22
When I'm triggered From a Chiron Aries specifically, it's

00:29:27
about developing a strong sense of self-identity.

00:29:32
It's about developing the emotions and understanding the

00:29:37
energetic impact a Chiron Aries can have on others.

00:29:44
When a Chiron Aries can really purify the power centre and

00:29:49
really harness their power and energy positively and

00:29:53
constructively, chiron Aries will be seen as the warrior.

00:29:58
So they have these beautiful warrior energy that in itself

00:30:05
can create for others issues around energy and power.

00:30:09
So you can hold your sense of self as a Chiron energy and that

00:30:13
can impact people.

00:30:13
But if you're holding it in a pure way, people around you may

00:30:18
be impacted and they might respond negatively towards you.

00:30:21
But if you hold it in a pure way and unconditionally and with

00:30:24
compassion, people will come round.

00:30:27
So it's about holding that so it can initiate power plays for

00:30:34
the Chiron Aries.

00:30:35
But the Chiron Aries when they hold it in a post where it's

00:30:42
about empowerment, they become great healers for those around

00:30:46
them because they can hold their sense of self.

00:30:49
So as they unlock their gifts and talents, they become great

00:30:56
teachers and leaders.

00:30:57
So you can see the real positive aspect to a Chiron

00:31:01
Aries and what they create in the world.

00:31:06
So if you take that essence and you take it on a more universal

00:31:13
level, so if Chiron Aries is transiting the earth right now,

00:31:19
you can look at this from a universal level and see how

00:31:24
Chiron Aries can be related to the way we are living our lives

00:31:31
right now, the way the world is playing out, the activities that

00:31:37
are playing out in the world right now Because, on a

00:31:40
universal level, chiron Aries is really influencing all of

00:31:46
humanity at this time, and so we can see this being triggered by

00:31:52
its attributes, which is influencing us all globally.

00:31:55
And if you look globally and see how Chiron Aries is working,

00:31:59
you can look around and see well, what is the leadership

00:32:04
styles we're noticing around the world?

00:32:06
How are those leaders using their power?

00:32:10
How are they using their power of influence?

00:32:14
What are they creating dynamics around energy players with

00:32:21
other countries?

00:32:21
So, how are they using, how are those leaders using their power

00:32:26
?

00:32:26
We can definitely see good examples of good leaders and how

00:32:31
they're using their power for good.

00:32:32
And we can see well, not so good leaders and maybe they're

00:32:36
not using their power in a positive way for the greater

00:32:39
good.

00:32:40
But we can definitely see playing out around the world,

00:32:44
different activities around in examples where there's a lot of

00:32:48
clearing of abuse and a lot of clearing of abuse of power.

00:32:53
So, chiron, you can see how Chiron Aries is impacting us all

00:32:58
, globally and humanity.

00:33:01
But there's another aspect to Chiron Aries universally is

00:33:06
about energy.

00:33:07
So it's also about how we're exploiting the planet's energy

00:33:12
reserves and the natural resources and so, on a positive

00:33:18
level, it's about how do we find positive ways globally, as a

00:33:23
global community, to harness natural energy resources

00:33:27
non-destructively?

00:33:28
Again, we can see positive examples of companies really

00:33:33
trying to spearhead natural ways of creating energy for our way

00:33:39
of living.

00:33:40
And we can see that, well, maybe we're depleting our energy

00:33:44
reserves and, you know, we're really in that time of

00:33:47
transition from the old way of using energy of the planet into

00:33:52
new ways.

00:33:52
So, as global citizens and you know, as Kairon Anaris really

00:33:58
compels us to find new strategies in our life, new

00:34:04
strategies in our communities and in our country, not

00:34:08
individually but collectively, and to do that thoughtfully.

00:34:13
So hopefully that gives you a bit of an imprint.

00:34:19
I've used Kairon Anaris and hopefully that gives you a bit

00:34:22
of imprint.

00:34:23
Wow, you know.

00:34:24
Yes, I can see why Kairon might be something worth exploring

00:34:29
further.

00:34:33
Speaker 1: Thank you.

00:34:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, so look just to finish on that, and no doubt

00:34:38
you've got a few questions.

00:34:39
It's about, well, ways to work with Kairon.

00:34:43
First and foremost, I would say to people well, find out what

00:34:46
your Kairon is, Investigate what values.

00:34:50
Speaker 1: How does someone find out what their Kairon is?

00:34:52
So?

00:34:55
Speaker 2: I'm going to provide.

00:34:56
We're going to be providing a link to a chapter that people

00:35:02
can download from the Beyond Always book that has been

00:35:07
carefully crafted and channeled by Alexis Cartwright.

00:35:11
It can be found in the Beyond Always book but I can provide a

00:35:16
link that people can download that particular chapter to

00:35:20
review everything I've sort of touched on but also work out

00:35:24
what their Kairon is.

00:35:25
That chapter also gives people, once they've understand what

00:35:32
their Kairon is, it'll give them a meditation.

00:35:35
It'll give them decrees and vacations to work with,

00:35:38
specifically with their Kairon, and so anyone can access that.

00:35:44
But we can all learn a lot from our Kairon and basically

00:35:51
embrace it positively, say, okay , I need to work through these

00:35:57
things, but embrace it positively.

00:35:58
And the more we can embrace it and more consciously work with

00:36:02
our Kairon, the more we can see the positive ripple effect that

00:36:07
has out in our reality.

00:36:09
But so there will be a link for people that they can go and

00:36:14
check that out and, just as an imprint, after we've had some

00:36:21
questions, I'm going to be drawing on a meditation.

00:36:27
It will be around Kairon and Aries because, as I said, it's

00:36:31
impacting everyone.

00:36:32
But it'll be super useful if your Kairon is in Aries and

00:36:37
it'll be useful for everyone else on a different level.

00:36:40
So I've created a meditation, I've used the meditation from

00:36:47
the Beyond Always book so you can see how you can work with

00:36:50
the meditation from the procedures within the Kairon

00:36:54
Aries, within Beyond Always, which is channeled by Alexis

00:36:58
Cartwright, and I've created a meditation around that that

00:37:01
we're going to finish with.

00:37:02
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you.

00:37:05
I've got a lot of questions I'm not going to talk about.

00:37:10
I'm not going to ask you all of them, because we could be here

00:37:13
all day.

00:37:13
There's so many different directions we could go in, but

00:37:18
I'm just thinking from the perspective of the listener

00:37:22
right now.

00:37:23
What you spoke about to me, because I've heard about Kairon,

00:37:31
I kind of I know a little bit about astrology.

00:37:35
I've experienced transference healing, which is your modality.

00:37:39
I'm interested in human design, the gene keys, so I'm reading

00:37:43
about this kind of stuff right, and so to me it makes complete

00:37:48
and perfect sense.

00:37:51
There's going to be a whole bunch of people out there that

00:37:53
thinks we are off our heads, so we got to try and convince them

00:37:59
that we're not.

00:38:00
So, look, let's just put some things into perspective because,

00:38:07
like I think you're absolutely, like you're totally, I'm

00:38:13
totally with you, and I know, like it makes absolutely 100%

00:38:19
sense, that we are evolving as a human race at an extraordinary

00:38:29
pace.

00:38:29
If you look back, even 10 or so years ago, we didn't have

00:38:37
social media right.

00:38:38
We didn't have this connectedness of around the

00:38:42
world.

00:38:43
There's just so many things going on from a technological

00:38:46
point of view, but also from an astrological point of view, we

00:38:50
understand so much more about you know how many planets are

00:38:54
actually out there, what's actually going on in not just

00:38:58
the world, because it's very easy to just get caught up in.

00:39:01
You know our day to day lives, but there's a whole bunch of

00:39:07
stuff going on, like we continue , you know as universally as a

00:39:13
planet like, and the universe is still expanding, it's not

00:39:20
static.

00:39:20
There's a lot going on and I think that we really need to.

00:39:24
We need, as you said, we need to start paying more attention to

00:39:31
this, because we are evolving and we don't want to get there

00:39:36
and go holy crap, I don't know what just happened.

00:39:40
We need to be prepared.

00:39:44
So, yeah, we could go down a whole bunch of different rabbit

00:39:51
holes, but let's, let's just try and get some perspective around

00:39:56
a couple of things, okay, so the first thing is just going to

00:40:00
ask you a little bit about past lives, because I probably

00:40:08
really I don't know like I'd heard people talk about it.

00:40:12
I've probably read some stories and stuff about you know past

00:40:15
life experiences and that sort of thing, but I didn't know

00:40:19
whether I was really bought into that idea until more recently

00:40:24
and I kind of get that sense of like we're, we're all energy in

00:40:29
human form, right, and so that energy shifts and changes and

00:40:33
the human form grows and dies, but the energy inside is really

00:40:38
that that's the thing that's evolving, right?

00:40:40
Would you agree with that Absolutely.

00:40:45
Yeah, absolutely, and so we, and so we have this.

00:40:47
We have this ability, this power to evolve from, and that's

00:40:55
kind of what that's the spirit, right, that it's energy.

00:40:59
It's been proven now, like we know, that we are human form but

00:41:06
that there's energy.

00:41:06
You know, I don't I don't feel equipped to talk about quantum

00:41:12
stuff, but but it's been proven.

00:41:14
It's like it's not made up, scientists know about it and

00:41:19
actually some scientists are going.

00:41:21
I don't know how to explain it, but yeah, that seems to be the

00:41:25
thing.

00:41:25
So, and I think that we kind of go really there.

00:41:31
We get to this point and, interestingly sorry, I'm kind of

00:41:34
I'm blabbering on a bit this is just what's coming out.

00:41:38
We get to this point in our lives which, in you know,

00:41:46
everyday life, is called the midlife crisis.

00:41:48
But, quite honestly, there's a whole bunch of stuff going on

00:41:52
from a planetary point of view.

00:41:53
And this is really interesting when you talk about Chiron in

00:41:57
Aries, because I have Chiron in Aries and I'm going to be 50 in

00:42:03
a few months time and so I'm having my Chiron return right

00:42:07
now.

00:42:07
Our lives aren't static, the planets aren't static.

00:42:14
Everything's moving, everything's evolving and we

00:42:17
can't expect that we don't move with it.

00:42:23
Yeah, it's, and so it's not like we're born.

00:42:26
We, you know, we grow up, we get married, have, you know, buy

00:42:31
a house, have some children, and then we die and that's it.

00:42:33
We kind of get to this middle of our lives and we go.

00:42:39
What is this actually all about ?

00:42:41
And that's the things like car room.

00:42:43
Right, correct, it's the trick, their triggers in our lives to

00:42:48
make us think.

00:42:49
And, yeah, people do do weird and out of the ordinary things

00:42:53
like going by a car or, you know , have a massive holiday or

00:42:56
divorce their partner because there's this massive energetic

00:42:59
shift for them and they kind of go.

00:43:01
I need to change, I need to evolve.

00:43:07
Speaker 2: I think the critical aspect for you or anyone who's

00:43:11
borderline I don't know if this is real or not is to always

00:43:17
bring it back to as a most practical level in your own life

00:43:24
.

00:43:24
So anything you hear, you know or read about is to really draw

00:43:29
on essence of what's been spoken and bring it back to yourself,

00:43:36
have an inquiry mind, be inquisitive, be open enough to

00:43:45
explore.

00:43:46
And especially now in 2024, people are gonna be pushed

00:43:54
energetically to really work through old mindsets.

00:43:58
So, however you run your consciousness, however you

00:44:03
perceive the world, things are going to crop up this year to

00:44:11
trigger you to start thinking differently and doing things

00:44:18
differently.

00:44:19
And I mentioned up front really it's like when you see

00:44:24
something negative playing out for you and it's really about

00:44:28
being really honest with yourself and when you look at

00:44:31
the current, you really look at the negative aspect of the

00:44:34
Chiron, right.

00:44:36
So okay, well, that's interesting.

00:44:37
Yeah, okay, well, if I'm really honest with myself, I can see

00:44:41
that and so well, that's okay.

00:44:43
Everyone's got a Chiron wounding, a wounding or things

00:44:47
they need to work through.

00:44:48
So this is mine.

00:44:50
Let's face it head on and start chipping away and start working

00:44:56
with it, but getting very honest with yourself and

00:45:00
recognizing what's really coming up for me, rather than

00:45:03
suppressing emotions or feelings or thoughts, allowing them to

00:45:09
rise and then having the courage to say, well, this isn't

00:45:15
serving me anymore, I'm going to let this go, you know, and

00:45:19
holding onto something that either happened yesterday, last

00:45:24
week, last year, or I'm holding.

00:45:26
You know, I have these feelings , I don't know where they come

00:45:29
from.

00:45:29
I've had a reasonable life.

00:45:30
Well, being open.

00:45:32
Well, maybe you are a divine being having a human experience

00:45:37
and you've been to planet Earth playground many, many times and

00:45:42
maybe in previous lives you've had some really interesting

00:45:46
experiences, good and bad, and some of those you've held onto

00:45:50
and they're carrying through this lifetime and it's playing

00:45:55
out in my life, you know.

00:45:57
Just having being open to that, I think, is a really good

00:46:01
starting point for people, because if you can be open and,

00:46:07
as things transpire and unravel this year, you can see things

00:46:14
for what they are and then just really surrender to that and try

00:46:17
and move through that, you're less likely to go into the

00:46:22
struggle of something and really get caught up in the struggle.

00:46:26
And if you can rise above that and say, look, I'm feeling

00:46:29
really bad today and this is what's coming up for me, but hey

00:46:33
, you know I'm gonna look at different ways to letting that

00:46:38
aspect go and just rising above that and really connecting up to

00:46:45
a higher aspect of self.

00:46:47
Then you will rise above things and be able to move through

00:46:53
life with more ease and grace and go with the flow and really

00:46:58
just surrender.

00:46:59
To me it's as simple as that.

00:47:02
And then testing the theory.

00:47:04
If anything new you hear, just test the theory and how does

00:47:07
that resonate for you in your life?

00:47:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say, look, I don't think I'm actually gonna

00:47:13
ask any more question, Like I didn't even ask a question, did

00:47:17
I just kind of commented?

00:47:18
One thing I find really interesting is and there's no

00:47:24
denying it, it's really interesting how, like Chiron was

00:47:28
discovered in 1997, right, it's been there, it's been there,

00:47:33
but it's only just been discovered and it started to get

00:47:37
used in astrology.

00:47:38
Because people in astrology, they observe behavior over a

00:47:44
period of time.

00:47:45
It's not just some kind of like oh you're in Aries, read your

00:47:47
stars in the newspaper.

00:47:48
Like astrologers historically studied people throughout their

00:47:54
lifetimes, where the stars were what people's habits, behaviors,

00:47:59
lifestyles.

00:48:00
They recorded these things meticulously, I think over

00:48:03
thousands of years, right, this is where it comes from.

00:48:06
It's not just make-believe stuff that you read your stars every

00:48:11
so often, but that how, there's the mythological story of Chiron

00:48:19
, right, and it's curious, fascinating, and I don't know

00:48:25
how they do it, but it's like there's a planet that got

00:48:28
discovered.

00:48:28
Let's call it Chiron, right, they don't know the symbolism of

00:48:36
it in someone's life or do that like they don't go.

00:48:40
Oh well, that planet probably represents the wounded healer

00:48:44
for people.

00:48:44
Let's call it Chiron, and then it starts to work in astrology.

00:48:49
It's like they're all already interconnected.

00:48:53
It's amazing like that mythological story has been

00:49:00
around for I don't know how long , but the significance of the

00:49:04
planet being called that and how that planet's impact plays out

00:49:10
for us represents the mythology of a story that's thousands of

00:49:16
years old, correct and, part of it, amazing the power of what

00:49:21
you and I, hopefully, we will be creating.

00:49:25
Speaker 2: We will be creating is jigsaw pieces.

00:49:27
So someone might be really familiar with astrology oh yeah,

00:49:32
that may.

00:49:32
And then you know we're introducing another concept that

00:49:37
links everything.

00:49:38
Everything in the universe is connected, everything.

00:49:42
And there might be three dots away from something that you

00:49:45
already know, but it's building bridges and supporting a

00:49:51
person's own inner knowledge and knowing and what they've

00:49:53
learned in this journey and what they've brought in, and just

00:49:59
creating those connections.

00:50:00
So you've beautifully have stated you know you can look at

00:50:04
the mythology aspect and you can see the connection with the

00:50:06
planetoid aspect and how that triggered the astrology and how

00:50:11
that's now appearing Big time in everyone's astrology chart.

00:50:15
And everyone's talking about Chiron.

00:50:16
You know a lot of people are talking about Chiron.

00:50:17
It's not unique to Transmence Healing.

00:50:19
And you start to draw parallels and then when you delve under

00:50:26
that, you say, oh, you know, I have this type of pattern and

00:50:29
you drill down on, well, what's my Chiron?

00:50:31
You say, oh, I've got that pattern of behavior.

00:50:33
Oh, I do that, I play that.

00:50:35
Yes, that's something that plays out in my life.

00:50:40
That's how you draw links and you start to unravel well,

00:50:47
what's real for me?

00:50:47
You know what resonates for me and how can that be useful for

00:50:50
me, how can I work with that in my daily life, and really that's

00:50:53
what we're trying to explore and create.

00:50:59
You know topics of understanding that might be new

00:51:01
for some.

00:51:01
Just underlines something for someone else or completely

00:51:05
someone knows already and just re-reminds them.

00:51:07
Oh yeah, good point.

00:51:11
Speaker 1: I've got to look at my Chiron.

00:51:12
Yeah, thank you, laverne, I'm going to close, like start to

00:51:16
bring us to a close.

00:51:17
I would suggest very similarly to you, like, if you have a

00:51:24
Chiron, if you have listeners, if you've listened to this and

00:51:28
you're like I am, my brain's like exploding with information.

00:51:34
I'm not sure whether I'm into it or not Check out your Chiron

00:51:43
and just see if there's anything that seems familiar for you,

00:51:46
because I can bet your bottom dollar, even if you just kind of

00:51:48
Google Chiron in whatever planet, no, whatever Star sign,

00:51:58
find out your Chiron using the link that we're going to put in

00:52:01
the notes Google what does Chiron in blah blah mean?

00:52:06
And you'll find some significance to your own life.

00:52:10
It will feel familiar.

00:52:13
You'll be like, yeah, that's me .

00:52:15
Keep listening to these episodes because, like Laverne

00:52:23
said, it's going to build, little pieces will come together

00:52:26
and it's going to start to make more sense, be more relevant

00:52:33
and, yeah, I can only expect that you'll hopefully be

00:52:40
illuminated by the wisdom that Laverne's sharing with us.

00:52:46
Thank you, laverne.

00:52:49
Speaker 2: Thank you.

00:52:50
So, look, we're going to be.

00:52:53
As Nadine said, we're going to be finishing this part of the

00:52:54
podcast because we wanted to create a beautiful meditation

00:52:58
and we're working with Chiron through that meditation and it's

00:53:02
working.

00:53:02
I'm referencing specific Transference, Healing, energetic

00:53:08
procedures that can be found in this chapter, Chiron, that you

00:53:11
can download and you can re-use the meditation and work with the

00:53:19
meditation when you feel fit.

00:53:22
But also go to the Chiron chapter and work out.

00:53:26
Well, Chiron and Aries, it was brilliant.

00:53:28
My Chiron is over here.

00:53:30
I'm going to look at the procedures and just start

00:53:32
playing.

00:53:33
Start playing with it.

00:53:34
It's really what we're trying to get people to move out of

00:53:40
what is deemed normal and think outside the square, move beyond

00:53:44
the envelope and start playing and testing Topics that we're

00:53:49
going to be covering over the next 12 months.

00:53:52
Speaker 1: Yep, alright, thank you, laverne.

00:53:54
Guys, check out the meditation, which will be a separate

00:53:57
recording inside the platform, and we'll see you again next

00:54:03
month.

00:54:03
Thanks, laverne.

00:54:04
Speaker 2: Thank you, Nadine.

00:54:06
Speaker 1: Bye for now.